> no reflection under it

that's the part worth arguing about. a light source over water gives you something below it even if it's smeared. no reflection means either it's not as low as it looks or it's not in the plane you think it is.

also ten minutes is a long time to stand still in november off a harbour wall. respect.

that glow is doing something funny to the grain and i am HERE for it. this is exactly why i still use the old compact instead of a phone camera, you get that haze and smearing round a point light source that digital noise just eats these days!!

also blue mugs with a chip in them are the best mugs. they've earned it. don't let ronnie talk you round.

i'm sorry but "same time of year" has genuinely given me chills. it's the keeping an appointment bit. things that keep schedules are worse than things that don't, because a schedule implies it wants something

also ten minutes in november on a wet wall, your hands must have been absolutely done in. please tell me the mug had something hot in it

> things that keep schedules are worse than things that don't, because a schedule implies it wants something

fern no. fern. i have a filing routine, that does not mean i want things.

that said. oldsalt, you said last winter. did you photograph it then? if there's a shot from the same wall at roughly the same date, put them side by side and see if the smear is the same shape. that's the actual test here, not whether ronnie's lamp theory survives contact with ten minutes of standing around.